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		<title>By: David Hartman</title>
		<link>http://jnjbtw.com/2007/08/just-to-be-clear/comment-page-1/#comment-149</link>
		<dc:creator>David Hartman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2007 20:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are a few distinctions I haven&#039;t seen posted here which are problably worth mentioning. The ARC (American Red Cross) and the IRCRC (International Red Cross + Red Crescent) function as two different organizations. And arguably each has different missions. The mission of the ARC, specifically in New York, is to emergency preparedness of the general public, and responding to disasters, including fires and floods. 

They offer a support role for people displaced by natural and other disasters not offered by any government organization, and they are first responders in the same way as the police and fire department.

They also offer training and preparedness classes to the general public, and create pamphlets and other imformation to educated people, some of which is free of charge. They also package, create and sell preparedness kits to the general public. 

I see no reason why the American Red Cross should not partner with another brand to develop products that are in line with its mission to prepare people for emergencies, or help them respond to emergencies. 

I do not see why a red cross next to the words &quot;Johnson and Johnson&quot; on a package of band aids is a trademark conflict with a red cross next to the words &quot;American Red Cross.&quot; If anything is seems like J+J has tried to distinguish its red cross by using the words &quot;FIRST AID.&quot;

How can they possibly have a basis for an intellectual property lawsuit?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a few distinctions I haven&#8217;t seen posted here which are problably worth mentioning. The ARC (American Red Cross) and the IRCRC (International Red Cross + Red Crescent) function as two different organizations. And arguably each has different missions. The mission of the ARC, specifically in New York, is to emergency preparedness of the general public, and responding to disasters, including fires and floods. </p>
<p>They offer a support role for people displaced by natural and other disasters not offered by any government organization, and they are first responders in the same way as the police and fire department.</p>
<p>They also offer training and preparedness classes to the general public, and create pamphlets and other imformation to educated people, some of which is free of charge. They also package, create and sell preparedness kits to the general public. </p>
<p>I see no reason why the American Red Cross should not partner with another brand to develop products that are in line with its mission to prepare people for emergencies, or help them respond to emergencies. </p>
<p>I do not see why a red cross next to the words &#8220;Johnson and Johnson&#8221; on a package of band aids is a trademark conflict with a red cross next to the words &#8220;American Red Cross.&#8221; If anything is seems like J+J has tried to distinguish its red cross by using the words &#8220;FIRST AID.&#8221;</p>
<p>How can they possibly have a basis for an intellectual property lawsuit?</p>
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		<title>By: C K Reid</title>
		<link>http://jnjbtw.com/2007/08/just-to-be-clear/comment-page-1/#comment-130</link>
		<dc:creator>C K Reid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As both a JNJ stockholder and a Red Cross volunteer I am interested in this situation. The money that the Red Cross gets from the licences for these products is so tiny compared to JNJ profits that the company comes off looking very greedy and as a bully. They should try harder to end this suit now to avoid losing their good reputation.

This was a bad idea that management should have never let get this far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As both a JNJ stockholder and a Red Cross volunteer I am interested in this situation. The money that the Red Cross gets from the licences for these products is so tiny compared to JNJ profits that the company comes off looking very greedy and as a bully. They should try harder to end this suit now to avoid losing their good reputation.</p>
<p>This was a bad idea that management should have never let get this far.</p>
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		<title>By: The Zone Read &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2007-08-17</title>
		<link>http://jnjbtw.com/2007/08/just-to-be-clear/comment-page-1/#comment-117</link>
		<dc:creator>The Zone Read &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2007-08-17</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 02:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] JNJ BTW » Blog Archive » Just to be Clear J&amp;J is suing the Red Cross. They explain why on their corporate blog and demonstrate the value of having one. Also take note of the comments &#8212; looks like they are posting all of them, good, bad and ugly. Bravo J&amp;J. (tags: enterprise blogging) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] JNJ BTW » Blog Archive » Just to be Clear J&#38;J is suing the Red Cross. They explain why on their corporate blog and demonstrate the value of having one. Also take note of the comments &#8212; looks like they are posting all of them, good, bad and ugly. Bravo J&#38;J. (tags: enterprise blogging) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: marcus aurelius</title>
		<link>http://jnjbtw.com/2007/08/just-to-be-clear/comment-page-1/#comment-116</link>
		<dc:creator>marcus aurelius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 14:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marcus Aurelius, 

As I think I’ve pointed out before, the Johnson &amp; Johnson doesn’t have a role in the management of RWJF, and RWJF doesn’t have a role in the management of Johnson &amp; Johnson. -Marc (moderator)

That&#039;s right, I forgot it&#039;s just a coincidence that nearly half of RWJF board members are former J &amp; J board members and or executives......or that RWJF was founded by J &amp; J&#039;s founder....or that RWJF is the largest single shareholder of J &amp; J stock......other than these symbiotic relationships.....there is no connection......keep repeating that to yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marcus Aurelius, </p>
<p>As I think I’ve pointed out before, the Johnson &amp; Johnson doesn’t have a role in the management of RWJF, and RWJF doesn’t have a role in the management of Johnson &amp; Johnson. -Marc (moderator)</p>
<p>That&#8217;s right, I forgot it&#8217;s just a coincidence that nearly half of RWJF board members are former J &amp; J board members and or executives&#8230;&#8230;or that RWJF was founded by J &amp; J&#8217;s founder&#8230;.or that RWJF is the largest single shareholder of J &amp; J stock&#8230;&#8230;other than these symbiotic relationships&#8230;..there is no connection&#8230;&#8230;keep repeating that to yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: Bugsy</title>
		<link>http://jnjbtw.com/2007/08/just-to-be-clear/comment-page-1/#comment-113</link>
		<dc:creator>Bugsy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 23:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>just because people believe different than the J&amp;J scam job, you ridicule them. Obviously the problem is not with Stephen but with you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just because people believe different than the J&amp;J scam job, you ridicule them. Obviously the problem is not with Stephen but with you.</p>
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		<title>By: Perry de Havilland</title>
		<link>http://jnjbtw.com/2007/08/just-to-be-clear/comment-page-1/#comment-112</link>
		<dc:creator>Perry de Havilland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 20:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can always tell when someone has no coherent argument to make because they make an ad hominem remark like this one by 1techsan (August 17th, 2007 at 4:39 pm):

&quot;The sad thing is that the company guys like poor Marc are so brainwashed they are unable to do anything but dance to the company music, they are unable to think for themselves.&quot;

But of course what 1techsan really means is that anyone who disagrees with him (and his various mutually reinforcing pseudonyms) is &quot;brainwashed&quot;, i.e. he is pathologizing disagreement with his views.   Nice.  Let me guess that you see yourself on the political far left, no?  They do that a lot in China I hear. 

Heaven forbid someone might actually rationally and calmly think 1techsan (and the ARC for that matter) just happens to be full of... sorry... wrong, and that J&amp;J is the injured party here.  Can you not *conceive* that might actually be what some really do think?  Does that notion, that possibility that no brainwashing is required, even register?  Just crank up Google and take a look at what many people are saying on blogs all over the place:  there are a lot of folks out there who are not on the J&amp;J payroll who are taking the view that it is the ARC who are wrong.

Tell me, is there ANYTHING the ARC could do to J&amp;J that would not get the same dreary proforma anti-biz response regardless? Somehow I doubt it.

The tediously predictable reactions of so many commenters with &quot;oh it is just mean old big business&quot; suggests that it is not Marc who is brainwashed (i.e. acting out unthinking conditioned responses).  Try to make a rational *argument* why J&amp;J should not defend their trademark if you like but please, do not murder pixels declaiming about &#039;greed&#039; like some like overwrought teenager.

For once a big company is talking about a PR issue in human words rather than formulaic PR-speak yet it seems many of J&amp;J&#039;s critics are still spouting their own utterly formulaic anti-biz PR speak.  Sorry guys but the &#039;antis&#039; are getting owned on this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can always tell when someone has no coherent argument to make because they make an ad hominem remark like this one by 1techsan (August 17th, 2007 at 4:39 pm):</p>
<p>&#8220;The sad thing is that the company guys like poor Marc are so brainwashed they are unable to do anything but dance to the company music, they are unable to think for themselves.&#8221;</p>
<p>But of course what 1techsan really means is that anyone who disagrees with him (and his various mutually reinforcing pseudonyms) is &#8220;brainwashed&#8221;, i.e. he is pathologizing disagreement with his views.   Nice.  Let me guess that you see yourself on the political far left, no?  They do that a lot in China I hear. </p>
<p>Heaven forbid someone might actually rationally and calmly think 1techsan (and the ARC for that matter) just happens to be full of&#8230; sorry&#8230; wrong, and that J&amp;J is the injured party here.  Can you not *conceive* that might actually be what some really do think?  Does that notion, that possibility that no brainwashing is required, even register?  Just crank up Google and take a look at what many people are saying on blogs all over the place:  there are a lot of folks out there who are not on the J&amp;J payroll who are taking the view that it is the ARC who are wrong.</p>
<p>Tell me, is there ANYTHING the ARC could do to J&amp;J that would not get the same dreary proforma anti-biz response regardless? Somehow I doubt it.</p>
<p>The tediously predictable reactions of so many commenters with &#8220;oh it is just mean old big business&#8221; suggests that it is not Marc who is brainwashed (i.e. acting out unthinking conditioned responses).  Try to make a rational *argument* why J&amp;J should not defend their trademark if you like but please, do not murder pixels declaiming about &#8216;greed&#8217; like some like overwrought teenager.</p>
<p>For once a big company is talking about a PR issue in human words rather than formulaic PR-speak yet it seems many of J&amp;J&#8217;s critics are still spouting their own utterly formulaic anti-biz PR speak.  Sorry guys but the &#8216;antis&#8217; are getting owned on this one.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc</title>
		<link>http://jnjbtw.com/2007/08/just-to-be-clear/comment-page-1/#comment-111</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 19:42:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephen, 

I imagine you are agreeing with others, namely 1Techsan and the Masked Avenger -- as they are the same aspects of the same personality. : ) Therefore, I don&#039;t see why I should let you abuse this space by being disingenous and posting under multiple names.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen, </p>
<p>I imagine you are agreeing with others, namely 1Techsan and the Masked Avenger &#8212; as they are the same aspects of the same personality. : ) Therefore, I don&#8217;t see why I should let you abuse this space by being disingenous and posting under multiple names.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
		<link>http://jnjbtw.com/2007/08/just-to-be-clear/comment-page-1/#comment-109</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:58:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with what others are saying, this is about a corporate giant trying to bully a nonprofit - well shame on you. I have read the other side of the story that J&amp;J ignores. Oh, and I posted this on my website so you could get more feedback. I posted both sides - so far in the court of public opinion you are losing - big time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with what others are saying, this is about a corporate giant trying to bully a nonprofit &#8211; well shame on you. I have read the other side of the story that J&amp;J ignores. Oh, and I posted this on my website so you could get more feedback. I posted both sides &#8211; so far in the court of public opinion you are losing &#8211; big time.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc</title>
		<link>http://jnjbtw.com/2007/08/just-to-be-clear/comment-page-1/#comment-107</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:59:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1techsan,

If thinking for myself amounts to agreeing with you, well, I have got too much of my mind to do that... 

Marc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1techsan,</p>
<p>If thinking for myself amounts to agreeing with you, well, I have got too much of my mind to do that&#8230; </p>
<p>Marc</p>
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		<title>By: Marc</title>
		<link>http://jnjbtw.com/2007/08/just-to-be-clear/comment-page-1/#comment-106</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Masked Avenger,

Well, I do try to read as many blogs as possible, and I do hope to comment more frequently. 

In my posts and comments, I&#039;ve tried to explain what this case involves, and I think we are just going to have to agree to disagree -- we are entitled to our opinion, just as you have a right to yours.  

I&#039;d also just like to remind you that courtesy and politeness is not optional on this blog.

Marc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Masked Avenger,</p>
<p>Well, I do try to read as many blogs as possible, and I do hope to comment more frequently. </p>
<p>In my posts and comments, I&#8217;ve tried to explain what this case involves, and I think we are just going to have to agree to disagree &#8212; we are entitled to our opinion, just as you have a right to yours.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;d also just like to remind you that courtesy and politeness is not optional on this blog.</p>
<p>Marc</p>
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